José Luís Vilson, NYC Math Teacher extraordinaire, wrote his way out, and writes like he’s runnin outta time. His This is Not a Test: A New Narrative on Race, Class, and Education (Haymarket Books 2014) remains a staple in the library of any educator who claims to be committed to antiracism and equity, and he shows up as his authentic self on the daily. He generously gave his time to the fellas on July 7, and what ensues is a passionate, engaged and fun conversation that was some combination of the academy, the teacher’s lounge, the front lines of a movement, and the front porch on a sweltering NYC day.

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